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Post by [A]ncient on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:03 am

You guys are talking about Utopia... It looks perfect but it's impossible.
The reason is people are too different and even reeducating them won't do anything because there are always those who fail to comply to the term of the "new society".

I see you guys talked about religion, religion is one of the mass-control institutions.
And those try to maintain their power and state, I doubt they'll be willing to give it up for a "peaceful" perfect society, heck look at Christianity, they already hate Jehovah's and Islam and much others. Their stories and ideas are not compatible. Much like how most people are just not as compatible as we'd want them to be.

Besides didn’t religion cause some wars already? Simply because they wished to convert them to their ideals and ideas? *WOLOLO*(I know right :p).

The thing is utopia will never be achieved, unless we can somehow root out the bad seeds from society. The problem is however that those bad seeds do not always blossom within view. I’ve read the Communistic Manifest of Karl Marx, I enjoyed his ideas but realized much like he said himself that it is but an utopia.

Has anyone of you guys read “Brave New World” from Aldous Huxley? It’s also about the new perfect society, and it also shows it’s weaknesses it may contain. It’s a book I’d urge you all to read before going into wishful thinking of a perfect “human” world.

Thus I myself have come to the conclusion that we can never attain perfect harmony because we are too different to be able to. We have different priorities, needs, wishes, different moral standards and much more. I understand why we’d want a perfect world, but as many of us who thought about such things. We are to realize it’s impossible in the end.

And implanting chips into our brains would be breach of privacy and freedom, I do not support it at all. Even if it could make things so much easier, it would turn us into “zombies, slaves of the society”.

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Post by sillyfishy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:14 am

ancient your 'you think im crazy now' pic doesnt fit my screen, it overlaps some text
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Post by [A]ncient on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:18 am

sillyfishy wrote:ancient your 'you think im crazy now' pic doesnt fit my screen, it overlaps some text
I'll shrink it for you ;D!

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Post by sillyfishy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:42 am

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Post by williewodka on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:45 am

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Post by [A]ncient on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:46 am

sillyfishy wrote:thank you

My pleasure, and rather amusing vid ;p.

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Post by RedSphinx on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:01 am

Thus I myself have come to the conclusion that we can never attain perfect harmony because we are too different to be able to. We have different priorities, needs, wishes, different moral standards and much more. I understand why we’d want a perfect world, but as many of us who thought about such things. We are to realize it’s impossible in the end.

And implanting chips into our brains would be breach of privacy and freedom, I do not support it at all. Even if it could make things so much easier, it would turn us into “zombies, slaves of the society”.
It is truly impossible and it should never be possible. Imagine what would happen if we had something like perfect world with perfect law system, perfect society, perfect goverment etc. How boring would that be? Nothing to fight for. The only thing in my opinion should be gone is religion, take out religion from people lifes and half of all problems are gone already. Wars, terrorism, hatred to other nations would be gone, as well as many other trifles of low importance, people would be wiser and use their head, not like now counting on an illusion and reading Koran which says: Islam must despise nonbelievers.
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Post by [A]ncient on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:38 am

RedSphinx wrote:
Thus I myself have come to the conclusion that we can never attain perfect harmony because we are too different to be able to. We have different priorities, needs, wishes, different moral standards and much more. I understand why we’d want a perfect world, but as many of us who thought about such things. We are to realize it’s impossible in the end.

And implanting chips into our brains would be breach of privacy and freedom, I do not support it at all. Even if it could make things so much easier, it would turn us into “zombies, slaves of the society”.
It is truly impossible and it should never be possible. Imagine what would happen if we had something like perfect world with perfect law system, perfect society, perfect goverment etc. How boring would that be? Nothing to fight for. The only thing in my opinion should be gone is religion, take out religion from people lifes and half of all problems are gone already. Wars, terrorism, hatred to other nations would be gone, as well as many other trifles of low importance, people would be wiser and use their head, not like now counting on an illusion and reading Koran which says: Islam must despise nonbelievers.

Thank you agreeing with me, as I said it's a utopia.

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Post by sillyfishy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:04 am

actually what hes trying to say is that even that is not a utopia
i think

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Post by RedSphinx on Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:30 am

At the matter of fact, all these big questions have no answers, if it had, it would have been answered already, many minds were put towards it through history resulting in only guessing and subjective opinion based thoughts. I don't know, is it better to admit that there is no answer or to think about it and try to find the answer with all strength even though there would never be one straight answer?
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Post by williewodka on Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:53 pm

RedSphinx wrote:
Thus I myself have come to the conclusion that we can never attain perfect harmony because we are too different to be able to. We have different priorities, needs, wishes, different moral standards and much more. I understand why we’d want a perfect world, but as many of us who thought about such things. We are to realize it’s impossible in the end.

And implanting chips into our brains would be breach of privacy and freedom, I do not support it at all. Even if it could make things so much easier, it would turn us into “zombies, slaves of the society”.
It is truly impossible and it should never be possible. Imagine what would happen if we had something like perfect world with perfect law system, perfect society, perfect goverment etc. How boring would that be? Nothing to fight for. The only thing in my opinion should be gone is religion, take out religion from people lifes and half of all problems are gone already. Wars, terrorism, hatred to other nations would be gone, as well as many other trifles of low importance, people would be wiser and use their head, not like now counting on an illusion and reading Koran which says: Islam must despise nonbelievers.
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Post by Joel on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:15 pm

WHY CAN'T THE HUMAN MIND EVOLVE BEYOND IT'S BASIC INSTINCTS?


WHY IS A UTOPIA NOT POSSIBLE?

If "we" as in the population of the world pass down these ideals to our children, and they to their children, could it one day not become a reality?


DID THE CAVE-MAN EVER DREAM OF THE EMPIRE STATE? OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB?

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Post by sillyfishy on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:00 pm

we should feed everyone xtc
like i have now
love everything Very Happy
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Post by Joel on Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:26 pm

sillyfishy wrote:we should feed everyone xtc
like i have now
love everything Very Happy

Too bad MDMA is neurotoxic and destroys serotonin receptors at high doses/ with regular usese.

Although some drugs that are analogues of analogues of MDMA claim to be less neurotoxic (6-APB, 5-APB, 5-IT). Since not many people have tried these drugs it's kinda hard to put together a case study of their effects on the human mind. All I can say i I feel fine after use. Virtually no comedown/depression or headaches. I guess the next 30 years will tell the amount of obscure shit i have taken

I do agree that everyone should try MDMA, LSD, 2c-*, 6-APB, Mushrooms, 5-1T, DMT, Ayahuasca, or any other psychedelic at least once. I know they helped open my mind, and see the world for what it is.

I like the way Alexander Shulgin approaches his research. He syntheses his chemicals, tests them on him self first, then his wife, then a test subject group. He has found many uses for MDMA and other phenethylamines in the area of psychiatric treatment. Nah though, the state would rather peddle their drugs from big-pharma, which barely work, have hundreds of side effects, and show withdrawal symptoms. (SSRI's, Tricyclics, MAOI's). Not to mention they prescribe these to 12-13 year olds, whose minds have not even developed yet. I could talk for an hour about ADD/ADHD medication, but lets not go that into that

It's the same with Igoba / Ibogaine. Many Heroin/cocaine/crack/meth/alcohol addicts have said they have been completely cured after 1-3 treatments. But no. The state would rather prescribe Valium, methadone, buprenorphine, just to line the pockets of the owners of big pharma. and keep the addicts addicted.

Luckily the war on drugs is failing. I just hope that when many drugs are legalised it is legislated in the right way... 21+ only, must be 100% pure product, no adulterants allowed to be added by companies wanting to make big bucks, like hey do with tobacco.


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Post by RedSphinx on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:13 pm

If "we" as in the population of the world pass down these ideals to our children, and they to their children, could it one day not become a reality?


DID THE CAVE-MAN EVER DREAM OF THE EMPIRE STATE? OF THE WORLD WIDE WEB?
Talking of utopia, we don't have what to pass, because currently there are no ideals. We can't make utopia right now, meaning we don't have what to pass to our children but some kind of subjective ideas like nazi did at schools in WW2. Look at chronology of history, from the cave man to modern man, yet no perfect system or worth attention clue about it.

In my opinion, utopia should never exist, because humanity is doomed to live and fight for it, fight the endless war. Improve improve improve, like we did from empire, absolutism to democracy. We simply improve but not reaching perfection which should not be reached, it is like endless decreasing geometric progression in mathematcs, when the sequence is approaching to zero, but would never reach it.

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Post by anaesthetic on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:30 am

ther's no utopia without U
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Post by Joel on Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:08 pm

About brave new world/1984 if you have read them . . . it saves me writing a wall of text.

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Post by williewodka on Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:58 am

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Post by sillyfishy on Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:17 am

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Post by Joel on Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:03 pm

williewodka wrote:[quote="Joel" [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
i dont see the need for some1 like u callingme a retard

Lack of ability to quote correctly, and lack of a space between "calling" and "me."

I guess you qualify!

Seriously though, you're a troll. You can't refute against anything that I post, you copy and paste segments of random shit... (You can tell because it actually has correct grammar.)

Carry on smoking the herb, brother, it's all good!
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Post by [A]ncient on Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:21 pm

Joel wrote:
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i dont see the need for some1 like u callingme a retard

Lack of ability to quote correctly, and lack of a space between "calling" and "me."

I guess you qualify!

Seriously though, you're a troll. You can't refute against anything that I post, you copy and paste segments of random shit... (You can tell because it actually has correct grammar.)

Carry on smoking the herb, brother, it's all good!

This post right here describes Willie perfectly ;D

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Post by RedSphinx on Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:40 am

Harshly said, but truth.
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